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  Jehovah's Witnesses child abuse and judical comittees, YLE TV1 News 11/1/2014

  by tunnistaja.ee in

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  2. scandals

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnoslbdatzc.

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  defender of truth

  [From a news article I found. Notice that there are 28 other documented cases.]
  
  "This would have been a matter for the police, but the elders banned me from going to the police because the name of Jehovah couldn't be dragged through the mud,” Aho says.
  “It was really cruel. A young girl under fire in front of three men,” she says. “The men asked confusing questions, such as whether I had indulged in group sex. The Committee emphasized that I had done wrong and that I was wicked and adulterous. No one defended me.”
  
  ...'The Victims of Religion Support Association has documented 28 such human experiences under the Jehovah's Witness legal committee.'
  
  http://yle.fi/uutiset/abuse_victim_jehovahs_witnesses_refused_to_report_rape_to_the_police/7592733
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  Update today on Candace Conti vs Watchtower case

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

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  defender of truth

  The letter was from Joseph Herrera.
  Feel free to read the links provided :)
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  Update today on Candace Conti vs Watchtower case

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

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  defender of truth

  Back to the topic..
  This is the only info I could find.
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  (Outlaw found Joseph Herrera on LinkedIn and posted it here)
  
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/253934/9/Candace-Conti-v-Watchtower-Society-June-3-2013-Respondents-Brief-prepared-by-Rick-Simons-A136641
  
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  (and Joseph Herera's contact details, as well as an explanation of unsolicited letters being submitted in court cases, are posted here on the next page)
  
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/253934/10/Candace-Conti-v-Watchtower-Society-June-3-2013-Respondents-Brief-prepared-by-Rick-Simons-A136641
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  Dammit Jim, I'm a psychopath not an all loving God!

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when did you discover that the god of bible - and the loving god that you had worshiped your entire life - were not the same?

  how did it affect you?.

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  defender of truth

  Cold Steel said:
  "[God] was loving, compassionate, merciful, but He also knew the evil in the hearts of men and their secret deeds...
  The Lord then shows him the coming flood and the people who would die. At first, Enoch entreats God to spare humanity, but then the Lord shows him the wickedness of the people and their deeds...
  The day will come when every knee will bend and every tongue will confess that Jesus is the Christ. Why? Because, like Enoch, you will have the same insight that the Lord had and realize that He did what had to be done in the context it was done."
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  COLD STEEL, what evil deeds did the animals commit (who were killed in Noah's day)? What secret sins had those creatures carried out that would impel a loving God to drown them all, in the supposedly justified mass murder known as 'the Flood'?
  
  Even looking at the situation in the context of every person on earth being violent and perverted except Noah and his family...
  God DID NOT merely 'do what had to be done'.
  You would have to admit that God had the power to (I'm borrow wording used in your post) 'surgically remove' all of those wicked people from the earth.
  He could have done that, couldn't He?
  No collateral damage is necessary if you have the power to selectively kill whoever you choose whilst sparing the innocent and 'godly' people, which your God clearly does.
  
  
  God chose to mercilessly drown all of those innocent, and sinless, living beings.
  Please explain why God 'did what had to be done' in the case of those animals...
  
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  Genesis 7:21
  " And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
  22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
  23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark."
  
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/222352/23/Theists-why-does-God-allow-suffering
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  defender of truth

  As my final contribution to JWN, I just found this excellent article. I think it sums things up nicely, here are a few of the key points..
  
  "[1. Animal suffering is due to the fall of Adam]
  ...The problem with both of these variations is why should animals be punished for what man did? It seems grossly unfair and unkind to subject them to such terrible suffering for something that was totally beyond their control.
  
  [2. Animal suffering is due to the evil influence of demons and Satan.]
  ...The problem with this view is well expressed by Richard Kingston:
  If God entrusted to fallible angelic beings such absolute control over creation that it was within their power to "brutalize" the animal kingdom for all time, then he cannot be exonerated from all culpability for what allegedly happened. Must we not go further and say that such action would indicate either incompetence or the fact that the sufferings of the lower creatures are unimportant in eyes of the Creator? (Animals and Christianity, p. 74 cited by Loftus, p. 251).
  
  [3. Animals really do NOT suffer]
  ...Science has conclusively shown that animals do in fact feel pain and experience the emotions of fear and anxiety as well. An omniscient God would have known this when he created the animal kingdom so the only conclusion one can draw is that he simply doesn't care about their suffering.
  
  [4. and 5. God is indifferent to animal suffering]
  ...The problem with this view is that it is repugnant to man's moral sensibilities. It would make God no different from those, like Michael Vick, who run dog-fighting rings. If what Vick did was morally disgusting, then what the Creator has done on a much larger scale is even more disgusting."
  
  http://formerfundy.blogspot.com/2010/05/christian-delusion-chapter-nine.html
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  defender of truth

  Last Bttt.

  Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  defender of truth

  "I could not have slept tonight if I had left that helpless little creature to perish on the ground." (Reply to friends who chided him for delaying them by stopping to return a fledgling to its nest.)
  
  ~ Abraham Lincoln
  
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  [ Spot the difference between the above quote and Jehovah's tender compassion for defenseless creatures... ]
  
  Genesis 7:21
  " And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
  
  22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
  
  23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark."
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  defender of truth

  BTTT for anyone who is interested
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  Watchtower encouraging members to go and preach in Israel

  by wannaexit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  an odd letter was read at last nights' meeting.

  it was in regards to a special campaign for next year arranged by the governing body to go and preach in israel.

  the call is going out to anybody that speaks hebrew and english.

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  defender of truth

  "The U.S. Department of State reveals in its 2012 Report on International Religious Freedom regarding Israel and the Occupied Territories that while "the country's laws and policies provide for religious freedom and the government generally respected religious freedom in practice," that attitude among Jews toward missionary activities and conversations were negative.
  "Most Jews opposed missionary activity directed at Jews, and some were hostile to Jewish converts to Christianity," according to the State Department's report. "Messianic Jews and Jehovah's Witnesses were harassed regularly by Yad L'Achim and Lev L'Achim, Jewish religious organizations opposed to missionary activity."
  http://christianpost.com/news/christian-persecution-in-hostile-israel-highlighted-by-evangelical-group-some-may-disagree-and-even-take-offense-says-nonprofit--113877/
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  Wales - ITV Report: JWs sex abuse victims call for organisation to be held accountable

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  itv report (wales).

  29 september 2014 at 6:00am.

  jehovahs witness sex abuse victims call for organisation to be held accountable.

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  defender of truth

  BTTT for any who missed this.